Reactions to 15 WKC in Novara

[ben]

One other thing I noticed, and it's a difficult call but it happened enough for my spidey-sense to twitch, was the number of times various senshu stopped the match to check their shinai. A couple of times this smelled to me of a kind of "player-induced wakare".

These sort of habits can be imitated by impressionable kenshi (especially, but not limited to, younger ones) around the world, either consciously or unconsciously. Other examples of these self-taught mannerisms: sanpo-mamori, slapping the ground with kensen after tsuki, one handed do zanshin whilst running, not turning to face opponent in kamae after zanshin when ippon has been awarded or just making a cursory wave of the kensen in their direction, etc, etc.

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[ben]

Just re-watched the end of the men's final, as I missed the infamous "non-bowing" incident at the time. Korean fukusho sort of bowed, pretty cursory. But Korean chuken B. Park (KOR7) chucked a full-blown tanty by turning away from Shodai. He probably regrets it now, but in case he doesn't, here's a message to him from me:

Harden the fuck up Princess.

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[Fudo-Shin]

Just re-watched the end of the men's final, as I missed the infamous "non-bowing" incident at the time. Korean fukusho sort of bowed, pretty cursory. But Korean chuken B. Park (KOR7) chucked a full-blown tanty by turning away from Shodai. He probably regrets it now, but in case he doesn't, here's a message to him from me:

Harden the fuck up Princess.

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Ha ha, he should spend some time at "Chopper" Reid's training camp for Princesses!! Or I could donate a cup off concrete for him to ingest at his own leisure...

[Lloromannic]

One other thing I noticed, and it's a difficult call but it happened enough for my spidey-sense to twitch, was the number of times various senshu stopped the match to check their shinai. A couple of times this smelled to me of a kind of "player-induced wakare".


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This is completely true and it can be easily avoided by...

shimpan enforcing the wakare and stalling hansoku rules.

[DCPan]

It's in the rules, insult to opponent or referee results in a 2-0 loss. If it was a one-point win this would be effectively penalize the team.

It's not the whether it is in the rules part that's the concern here...it is being willing to call it that's not so easy.

Really, couldn't you give them a torikeshi just for the fist bumps?

What about those "check the shinai" yame requests?

The long and leisurely stroll back to the starting line?

I would suspect if a foul was given for any of these reiho violations, you would be giving a lot more fuel to biased judging favoring the Japanese team.

[DCPan]

Or, to put it another way, even if the cop is watching, there's the speed limit, then there's the speed where he'll really pull you over and write you a ticket....

[Missingno.]

How could you enforce the shinai checking one? It is not against the rules to get your shinai checked, and you can't really prove that nothing was wrong with it even if it's just a matter of a rotated naka yui or something.

[Neil Gendzwill]

How could you enforce the shinai checking one?

It's a discretion thing. If the guy asks to check a shinai repeatedly then I would call gogi and maybe give a penalty for stalling. I've never had to do such a thing but I don't have as much experience as some people here. Maybe some of the sensei who do more tournaments can comment.

Similar for tsuba-zeriai. If the guy is stalling in tsuba-zeriai, you call wakari once or maybe twice. After that, it should be hansoku (assuming it is the same guy who is stalling). But you have to make a distinction between an active tsuba-zeriai and a dead one. If both sides are clearly trying to make a point, then it is fine although if it goes on too long I would still separate them.

[tango]

It's a discretion thing. If the guy asks to check a shinai repeatedly then I would call gogi and maybe give a penalty for stalling. I've never had to do such a thing but I don't have as much experience as some people here. Maybe some of the sensei who do more tournaments can comment.

your experience is the same as mine there..

Similar for tsuba-zeriai. If the guy is stalling in tsuba-zeriai, you call wakari once or maybe twice. After that, it should be hansoku (assuming it is the same guy who is stalling). But you have to make a distinction between an active tsuba-zeriai and a dead one. If both sides are clearly trying to make a point, then it is fine although if it goes on too long I would still separate them.

that's kinda my line of thinking, too...

[Phillip0701]

For all of you who are confused about the scores, here it is:
Sempo: Japan (men, kote) 2 - Korea (kote) 1 (2:1)
Jiho: Japan (kote) 1 - Korea (men) 1 (1:1)
Chuken: Japan (doh) 1 - Korea 0 (1:0)
Fukusho: Japan 0 - Korea 2 (men, men) (0:2)
Taisho: Japan 0 - Korea 0

Thus, Japan won over Korea 2-1 (4:4). Very close match.