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    剣道しない事も人間形成の道である ben's Avatar
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    What are faints (feints?) called in kendo?

    As you can see I can't even spell it in English but I was wondering if anyone knows whether there is a specific name for waza where you appear to go for one target and then cut another? For instance starting kote then finishing men (without making contact with kote), or morote tsuki to open men (without contacting tsuki dare).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben
    As you can see I can't even spell it in English but I was wondering if anyone knows whether there is a specific name for waza where you appear to go for one target and then cut another? For instance starting kote then finishing men (without making contact with kote), or morote tsuki to open men (without contacting tsuki dare).

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    Hello Ben,
    Good question. We do waza that seems to be similar to what you have explained. I don't think there is a specific name but we say, "kote ni semete men or tsuki ni semte men." Hope this helps.
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    フェイント!That`s feinto to you and me

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    Yup that one would work too.
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    fainto is a "fake" like when you fake a left jab and do a right upercut instead

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    It's spelled feint in English.

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    i guess seme could also work, since u are making a "opening" by pretending to strike sth else,

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystic_kendoka
    i guess seme could also work, since u are making a "opening" by pretending to strike sth else,
    ... Since when seme means oppening?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mystic_kendoka
    i guess seme could also work, since u are making a "opening" by pretending to strike sth else,
    You're not pretending to strike anything with seme. You're applying pressure to create an opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mystic_kendoka
    i guess seme could also work, since u are making a "opening" by pretending to strike sth else,
    A feint, whether in boxing or fencing, is an action that appears that one is intending to attack a particular location.

    The "one-two punch" involves two motions. The first one is the feint. This is a punch, usually performed with the weaker arm. The opponent sees the attack coming and blocks. The second motion is performed after the opponent wants to block the first punch. This second motion quickly follows as a punch with the other arm.

    In kendo, one usually commits to one target location and must call it out when attacking. However, I have seen wherre a men uchi was a feint (of sorts) as the arms were raised. This was to draw a suriage from the opponent. Then, the attacker made a kote uchi to the opponent's right kote while it was upward in a suriage block.

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    " In kendo, one usually commits to one target location and must call it out when attacking."

    No. You call out the target when you hit the target.

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    Feint is used to break opponent's rhythm.
    It is one method to create 4 poison/sickness (shikai)
    You can feint by
    -your shinai (katsugi or big swing)
    -body action (stumping floor, looking at kote but going for men ...etc)
    -actual strike (kote feint men, men feint kote or do feint hiki men...etc)

    But unless you have good strong seme and fast strong basic strike (men, kote do), feint is useless. (if you dont have fastball, change-up wont work)
    Nothing worse than you try to feint, but opponent score with debana waza

    ...also feint can become bad habit too. I suggest you to practice good strong fast men, before trying to learn feint. I say feint is at least shodan or above waza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSchmidt
    " In kendo, one usually commits to one target location and must call it out when attacking."

    No. You call out the target when you hit the target.

    Jakob
    I know. The kiai and time of contact are simultaneous. However, you can miss. But you still kiai, whether or not you know you are going to make contact, as in kata. The motodachi does a kiai with "ya" with the intention of hitting the uchidachi. If he missed and didn't yell "ya", there wasn't full commitment.

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    Ok, but then how is that then relevant to feints?

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    There is a technique called 'Men feinto kote' where you attack men then if you opponent tries to do a defence lifting his or her koto you cut that with a small movement.

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