Makiotoshi?

[Masahiro]

hahahahaha, that is actually not a bad idea. In essense, the counter techniques these dojo practice lies not in "reversing" the motion or effect of the makiotoshi waza but in taking sen, so to practice a counter counter techniques is really to go back to the basics and reassure a good kihon. There is no kendo prettier than simple, elegant kendo.

[taganahan]

can you please expound taking sen cause i want to practice this makiotoshi and at the same time the counter of it, as it might be used against me.

[Masahiro]

hahahaha, hmmm. .. I would really like to answer this question for you. But I am not qualified. Leave this thread for a couple days, as I am sure there will be other more experienced kendo students on this forum that can help you with the topic of "sen". it's more a mental study than it is a physical dimension.

[Neil Gendzwill]

My sensei refers to makiotoshi as rokudan technique. It's very tough to execute in jigeiko or shiai. At your level, I'd leave it alone.

[Hai_hai]

can you describe how this counter-makiotoshi looks like? maybe we can make a counter-counter-makiotoshi...hehe

Because of leverage reasons, you cannot fight against it. If you feel it starting, that is when you want to move your shinai. If you are caught, it's pretty much too late.

[taganahan]

there must be one. i mean, if we apply physics here newton's second law suggests that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. i'm not being too pushy in here but i've been really into techniques that fools or demoralizes the opponent, just to degrade their mental capacity at the moment and their concentration too.

[JSchmidt]

"there must be one. i mean, if we apply physics here newton's second law suggests that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Don't fight it and try to `out-circle` the opponents shinai..as it comes towards the end, cut men.

Jakob

[Hai_hai]

[QUOTE=taganahan]there must be one. i mean, if we apply physics here newton's second law suggests that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. ...QUOTE]
Yes, the solution is to spin your shinai faster in the same direction to get out of the trap.
I've yet to experience it in kendo. I have experienced this in western fencing. The counter to this move is 1. disengagement when you feel the pressing and winding starting. 2. move in the same direction of the circle but faster.
The attacker usually is doing the derobement movement in a corkscrew manner, i.e. moving in while moving the blade in a circle. This movement left partially performed is called a bind and you cannot release from it. This movement performed with a quick whip movement at the end is the derobement where the opponent's weapon leaves their hand.

I feel that this move is similar to kendo, strategically speaking, in that it is rarely used because your opponent can catch onto it if you use it a lot and you don't always want to use your sneaky moves often.

[tapioka]

but wouldn't raising your arms to cut a men be slightly easier? or is not that simple?