Has Any body bet their own sensei in a shiaijo?

Disciple.k · 16th July 2004, 11:42 PM

sometime young high grade players have more speed and power can win against their own sensei . Is it right or wrong to do so, cause after all they taught you everything you know.

**louisvandalen** · 17th July 2004, 12:19 AM

Start your own Kendo Dojo once you beat your sensei. Damn, mine has the proportions of an oak, it will take me 20years of practice to win from this dude. And that's because he'll use his shinai as a walking stick by that time.

Regards,

Louis
www.uiteindhoven.nl

**Neil Gendzwill** · 17th July 2004, 12:34 AM

It's never come up, but I suppose it could happen. Lots of senior people lose points to younger players in shiai, it doesn't really matter that much in the grand scheme of things. We all (should) know that there's a world of difference between tagging your sensei with dekote in the shiaijo and actually getting to his real kendo level.

**kendokamax** · 17th July 2004, 12:54 AM

actually i saw it once,

one guy from budai named Andou who was like 20 years old ( dannyboy should know him) completly destroying in jigeiko the coach of the team (7th dan). That was so impressive.

**Neil Gendzwill** · 17th July 2004, 01:01 AM

Odd, I just don't see any of the Canadian guys "completely destroying" Ray. Take some points off him, maybe.

**Hai_hai** · 17th July 2004, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Disciple.k

sometime young high grade players have more speed and power can win against their own sensei . Is it right or wrong to do so, cause after all they taught you everything you know.

This is nothing new... they made a movie about it... Star Wars... Darth Vadar vs. Ben Obi Wan Kenobi.
Watch and learn.

**Andoru** · 17th July 2004, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Hai_hai

This is nothing new... they made a movie about it... Star Wars... Darth Vadar vs. Ben Obi Wan Kenobi.
Watch and learn.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

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**Curtis** · 17th July 2004, 02:04 AM

I used to think about this when I was in my 20's to early 30's. Wanting to 'beat' the sensei and the seniors. However I came to realize that even if I could beat them at shiai I never really beat them. The question is could you beat them when they were in their physical prime? They have already been there and you are getting there because they are showing you the way.

We all know we slow down as we age to some degree. Even so quite often we still find ourselves unable to get that elusive perfect strike on the sensei. Earlier this year I had the pleasure of getting picked apart by a 73 yo hachidan who had recently gone through cancer treatment and lost a lot of weight. I still could not get to him effectively. I am left to wonder what kind of lesson I would have gotten from him if he were in his 30's.

As far as shiai, that is the way it goes when you enter a shiai. You always stand the chance of losing to someone younger, faster or even much less skilled. I have seen it many times, but I sure am not going to go out and model my kendo on that person just because they 'beat' a sensei or senior. You may beat them and in a shiai you should do your best to do so. Question is do you possess the knowledge they have?