Dok-Doh

[drizzt]

ah i know what he was doing......Most likely stationed in Hawaii?

[ISSAC RU]

Japanese Spy penetrated into US army.

[KhawMengLee]

Japanese Spy penetrated into US army.

ISSAC that being rude.

[samurai999]

[QUOTE=ISSAC RU]Find one word in my post That clearly says I hate Japan and I hate
Japanese people.
[\QUOTE]
"Have you seen the protest that was going on in China
a month ago? Those people wante to complete destroy
Japan ....I just want to Japan to tear down its war-criminal
shrine and teach their kids like the germans do right now.
I am no radical Kid , I guess you won't understand since
we were brought up differently."

"Japan is a very scary country . Its military budget is 2nd in the World.
Right after U.S.A.
Stop Japanese aggression before it is too late."

You don't have to say the word "hate" to be a hater. Maybe you're right(for once).. You don't hate.. You are paranoid which is almost as bad. Yasukuni jinjya is a monument to all war dead.. not just the WW2 vets. I have an omamori from that shrine and it is still working fine. (no accidents)

[QUOTE=ISSAC RU]
Japan already stopped its reparation money to China because
China is hosting the 2008 game. Why? Jelousy......
Japanese Government thinks they can buy anything with money ,
well . The answer is clearly no...I see them buying their
way in the UN security council , but they are going to fail no
matter what.
[\QUOTE]

Hoooold on.. You say that they should tear down the shrine and educate their children. Educating the children and updating the history books is what I agree with. But then you imply that China should get paid money. Then you say that Japan thinks that they can pay anybody off with money when they stop? Well.. Where do you want this monetary support to end? Please make up your mind. Well for one thing, it's NOT coming from my family.

Tim

[samurai999]

ah i know what he was doing......Most likely stationed in Hawaii?

quite possibly.

Tim

[ISSAC RU]

[QUOTE=samurai999][QUOTE=ISSAC RU]Find one word in my post That clearly says I hate Japan and I hate
Japanese people.
[\QUOTE]
"Have you seen the protest that was going on in China
a month ago? Those people wante to complete destroy
Japan ....I just want to Japan to tear down its war-criminal
shrine and teach their kids like the germans do right now.
I am no radical Kid , I guess you won't understand since
we were brought up differently."

"Japan is a very scary country . Its military budget is 2nd in the World.
Right after U.S.A.
Stop Japanese aggression before it is too late."

You don't have to say the word "hate" to be a hater. Maybe you're right(for once).. You don't hate.. You are paranoid which is almost as bad. Yasukuni jinjya is a monument to all war dead.. not just the WW2 vets. I have an omamori from that shrine and it is still working fine. (no accidents)

Japan already stopped its reparation money to China because
China is hosting the 2008 game. Why? Jelousy......
Japanese Government thinks they can buy anything with money ,
well . The answer is clearly no...I see them buying their
way in the UN security council , but they are going to fail no
matter what.
[\QUOTE]

Hoooold on.. You say that they should tear down the shrine and educate their children. Educating the children and updating the history books is what I agree with. But then you imply that China should get paid money. Then you say that Japan thinks that they can pay anybody off with money when they stop? Well.. Where do you want this monetary support to end? Please make up your mind. Well for one thing, it's NOT coming from my family.

Tim

The Shrine was built around 1860s.
Yasukuni Shrine consists 83% of war-deads from WWII .
( Ex: TOJO )
Rest of them are from Other Japanese War in the late 19 and early
20th century.
Tell me , during that time. All the Wars that Japan has been through
are invasions.
Big wars such as :
1895 - Sino-Japanese War - Direct invasion to Korea.
SAme year : Russo-Japanese War , fought on China. Winner gets
Port Arther. = Invasion , occupation.
1900 - 1945 , Occupation through out Korea.
1931- Invade Manchuria. Occupation throught out Manchuria.
( There are planty small ones that I don't want to mention, simply
too many of them )

So now , Yasukuni Shrine = Hall of fame for the nazi criminals.

Do you think the Europeans are going to be happy if the German
chancellor deicide to build a fall of fame for nazi crimnials and pay
visite to them every year?

[drizzt]

quite possibly.

Tim

if i have to make a bet he worked on Ultra(i beleive ultra is the pacific code breaker....i get the different code machines confused). That was cutting edge work on some of the earliest computers in the world . my Great uncle was there as a punch card hole cleaner for a while(he couldnt type......was missing one finger), until his ship made it back from a cruise.

[KevinF]

That's cool - I want a omamori from Yasukuni jinja! I didn't get one when I went and started collecting omamori after that.

[samurai999]

My mom got a Koutsuuanzen ("traffic safety") one for me (that needs to get renewed). It helped me avoid accidents but not tickets. LOL

Tim

[samurai999]

The Shrine was built around 1860s.
Yasukuni Shrine consists 83% of war-deads from WWII .

So now , Yasukuni Shrine = Hall of fame for the nazi criminals.

Do you think the Europeans are going to be happy if the German
chancellor deicide to build a fall of fame for nazi crimnials and pay
visite to them every year?

Well this is totally wrong.. Why? The Japanese didn't build yasukuni jinjya for the purpose to put to rest "nazi criminals" as you so eloquently put it. As you can see from the facts you posted. 83% are war deads.. Now think about this.. How many do you think out of that participated in the Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death marches? From what I know, a lot of them are war dead from other battles in the pacific (have you heard of Iwo Jima by chance?). Most of those soldiers were put on the front lines to defend that island. Could they have come from China or Korea? Maybe, but that doesn't automatically make ALL of them war criminals like you say they are.

Next, what about the other 17%? since the shrine was built in the mid 1800s, there couldn't have been war criminals at that time, right? I know that out of that 17%, all of them were samurai or monks. Nope... No nazi war criminals here. So now, logically, looking at your formula, Yasukuni Jinjya can't equal hall of fame for nazi war criminals, can it?

Who here agrees with me in saying that ISSAC (or is it ISAAC?) needs a revised history lesson and a lesson that teaches him not jump to conclusions.

Tim

[samurai999]

if i have to make a bet he worked on Ultra(i beleive ultra is the pacific code breaker....i get the different code machines confused). That was cutting edge work on some of the earliest computers in the world . my Great uncle was there as a punch card hole cleaner for a while(he couldnt type......was missing one finger), until his ship made it back from a cruise.

Nice.. As for me, it sorta reminds me of the "windtalkers" movie but in reverse. The american indians talked in their own tongue to encrypt US messages while my grandfather used his tongue to decrypt Japanese messages.

Tim

[ISSAC RU]

Well this is totally wrong.. Why? The Japanese didn't build yasukuni jinjya for the purpose to put to rest "nazi criminals" as you so eloquently put it. As you can see from the facts you posted. 83% are war deads.. Now think about this.. How many do you think out of that participated in the Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death marches? From what I know, a lot of them are war dead from other battles in the pacific (have you heard of Iwo Jima by chance?). Most of those soldiers were put on the front lines to defend that island. Could they have come from China or Korea? Maybe, but that doesn't automatically make ALL of them war criminals like you say they are.

Next, what about the other 17%? since the shrine was built in the mid 1800s, there couldn't have been war criminals at that time, right? I know that out of that 17%, all of them were samurai or monks. Nope... No nazi war criminals here. So now, logically, looking at your formula, Yasukuni Jinjya can't equal hall of fame for nazi war criminals, can it?

Who here agrees with me in saying that ISSAC (or is it ISAAC?) needs a revised history lesson and a lesson that teaches him not jump to conclusions.

Tim

1. If the Germans moved some all their Class-A criminals into a Musuem and
call it the w/e they want to call it . Does that make sense?
In the Shrine , there are 13 Class-A Japanese War-Criminals. They were
moved into the shrine during the late 70s. Why? Why the hell in the world
They want to move those Class-A war-criminals into a national shrine?
What is the purpose? If I move Hitler into some German place and make
the chancellor of Germany to visite that place everyyear? Do you think the
people are going to be pleased?

2. Pacific War , Who needs a History lesson?
Pacific War was started because of the Japanese Invasion into the Southeast
Asia. Japanese were defending Iwo Jima islands because they want to
susbstain their country and continue the War. Japan brutally occupied all
the countries in the southeast. Do you think Japan has the right to occupy
those countries? Japan has the right to invade other countries , but other
countries do not have to the right to strike back in order to achieve the regional peace?

3. Rape of NanJing.
Do you have any ideas how many Japanese troops were at China at that time? Nearly 2.3 Million.
Japanese casuatiles ( Army )in WWII is some 2 million people. We assume
1 Million dead in the pacific war. There is still 1 million left , where did they go? China and Korea. Brutally killling and occupations are the right thing?
And those murders should have the respect they don't deserve? I don't
think so .

4. Rest of the 17% , No samurais or Monk .
Samurais system was abolished at the Meiji Reform which is before the
constrcution of the shrine. Maybe they put some in there , but the people
who mainly made up of this 17% are criminals from:
Russo-Japanese War
Sino-Japanese War
Korean Occupation
Machurian Occupation
Taiwanese Occupation.

Etc.......


You need a history or I need one?
Do you think its fair for the asian people to see Class-A war-criminals
who brutally raped 50 millions of their people sitting in a shrine and classfiled
as Japan's Heros?

[h2o]

Hello folks, last time I checked, WW2 ended more than 50 years ago. I really don't see why we need to start it again.

As for statues and shrines... We have plenty of statues of old kings that have commanded armies that probably did some very evil things to our enemies population. I've never heard of a dane, norwegian or german complaining and telling us to put them down...

[samurai999]

[QUOTE=ISSAC RU]1. If the Germans moved some all their Class-A criminals into a Musuem and
call it the w/e they want to call it . Does that make sense?
In the Shrine , there are 13 Class-A Japanese War-Criminals. They were
moved into the shrine during the late 70s. Why? Why the hell in the world
They want to move those Class-A war-criminals into a national shrine?
What is the purpose? If I move Hitler into some German place and make
the chancellor of Germany to visite that place everyyear? Do you think the
people are going to be pleased?

2. Pacific War , Who needs a History lesson?
Pacific War was started because of the Japanese Invasion into the Southeast
Asia. Japanese were defending Iwo Jima islands because they want to
susbstain their country and continue the War. Japan brutally occupied all
the countries in the southeast. Do you think Japan has the right to occupy
those countries? Japan has the right to invade other countries , but other
countries do not have to the right to strike back in order to achieve the regional peace?

3. Rape of NanJing.
Do you have any ideas how many Japanese troops were at China at that time? Nearly 2.3 Million.
Japanese casuatiles ( Army )in WWII is some 2 million people. We assume
1 Million dead in the pacific war. There is still 1 million left , where did they go? China and Korea. Brutally killling and occupations are the right thing?
And those murders should have the respect they don't deserve? I don't
think so .

4. Rest of the 17% , No samurais or Monk .
Samurais system was abolished at the Meiji Reform which is before the
constrcution of the shrine. Maybe they put some in there , but the people
who mainly made up of this 17% are criminals from:
Russo-Japanese War
Sino-Japanese War
Korean Occupation
Machurian Occupation
Taiwanese Occupation.
[\QUOTE]

Of all the stuff I posted right or wrong, you missed my point. I'm not denying that there are war criminals enshrined or buried in the shrine nor am i denying that Japans invasions were wrong. Its just that not everybody was a war criminal as you make them out to be. Lets repeat.. NOT EVERYBODY WAS A WAR CRIMINAL AS YOU MAKE THEM OUT TO BE...

For sake of argument, My mom was living in Japan during WW2. does that make her a criminal? at 2 yrs old? What about my dad who was living in Japan at the time of WW2 and was 7 yrs old.. Does that make him a criminal as well? What about my grandmom who was taking care of my dad at that time.. Do you accuse her of killing women and children too?

You still don't understand that some of these soldiers weren't war criminals though you do make them all out to be war criminals by association. That is almost just as wrong as the crimes the bad soldiers comitted.

Maybe you are right.. I do need a history lesson.. I did go off topic from what I wanted to say.. But, while i'm willing to look at things from a both sides and willing to learn, you continue to post one-sided views and continue to irritate people...

Tim

[drizzt]

You have to stop letting him goad you. He's already proven his ignorance....just let him ramble on and point out corrections calmly(and abit assanine when possible)