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    Rainmaker,

    In response to your post above (I liked your last one, by the way), you wrote:

    et's conclude this. Asian countries doesn't want Japan to have army. US government doesn't want to arm Japan. Hey, even Japanese themselves doesn't want themselves to be armed. Only one Floridian living in Miami, who happened to living in Japan for two years, now knows where the world is heading to with help of anwers.com. Now, he claims everyone that Japan has to be armed. Rest of us must be thoughtless, or vise versa ???
    1. Aside from China and Korea, I never hear of other nations with voices as loud speaking against Japanese constitutional reform or self defense...
    2. The U.S. government actually does want to arm Japan. The current model of F16 was developed jointly with Japan. Note the afore mentioned sale of Aegis cruisers (the US Congress refused to sell them to Taiwan, who has been asking for them for years by the way...), and Bush's recent force reduction in South Korea may be continued to Japan as pressure mounts for Japan to pay for its own defense completely.
    3. Japanese opinion about the constitution is split last I checked. Every time North Korea does somethning stupid (like firing a nuclear-capable missle over Japanese territory), the Japanese are (rightfully) scared and ponder the wisdom of Gen. McArthur's imposed constitutional Article 9. A vestage of an age gone by.
    4. Yup, I am one Floridian, living in Miami. Most of my positions are fairly moderate, and should people understnad the situation, I think most would agree with me to some extent. You see, I don't advocate Japanese militarism - I advocate that Japan be allowed to take a normal place in the world without fear of having to deal with "historical" issues at *every* turn.
    By the way, I was born in Germany, lived there for many years and studied in both high school and university there. My opinions are clouded by years of living in other countries (among them, admittedly, Japan), and years of listening to responses like those of Issac. I have been to Yasukuni Jinya, and didn't have a problem with it (as did the US President on his last visit to Japan), and I have also spoken with an older generation of war veterans here in Florida who still bear a hatred for Japan. I'd like to believe that my comments are motivated not by personal prejuidice either way, but rather by an attempt at an objective view of the current geopolitical situation and in particular, the instability in Asia.

    Quite simply: a strong Japan costs US taxpayers less money, meaning they can withdraw troops and bases from Asia - which should make nationalists fearful of the US (like Issac) quite happy. It costs the US less money, which makes me happy as I am a US taxpayer. The Japanese military would buy mostly US technology and hardware, which further helps US companies. Most importantly, a strong(er) Japan would, in my humble opinion, help to stabilize the fragile situation in Asia.

    Also, with regard the the last couple of posts: the US can't strike first in Korea. The number of heavy artillery pieces surrounding Seoul in the mountains has always been impossible to calculate and impossible to destroy. These artillery pieces are on mobile platforms inside the mountains and are quite secure. Any first strike against North Korea by ROKUS forces woud see the complete destruction of Seoul within a day. Most people don't understand that, and probably haven't taken a good look at a map and seen exactly where Seoul is in relation to the border and DMZ.

    One more thing: don't you think its a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, Sungmin? A Korean claiming I'm biased on the issue because I lived in Japan? The blade has two sides, and it cuts you when your identity is revealed.
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    One more thing: don't you think its a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, Sungmin? A Korean claiming I'm biased on the issue because I lived in Japan? The blade has two sides, and it cuts you when your identity is revealed.

    => You are not revealing anything except my name. It should takes only 2 min. to figure out my identity. What took you so long ?? I am the only Korean in our dojo. In thread #59, I have already admit that I am Korean and I could be biased because of this. You are not just admitting that you are biased. Denial, dinail, denial.... two sides blade pointing at you.

    By the way, I have to admit one more thing. It seems like US wants to strengthen their ties with Japan so that US can attack China more effectively. Well, one more way to sell more F-15 and F-16....
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    Smile Tihs is a *kendo* forum after all...

    As we should know from kendo, the only way to not get hit is to have good seme and a strong kamae.....

    I guess you are really saying that Japan should be forced to only use gedan no kame, right? ... I just don't understand how people could do kendo and come to some of these conclusions....

    "...so the US can attack China more effectively...?"

    eh?

    don't get Issac started again... you're going to get him all worked up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainmaker
    By the way, I have to admit one more thing. It seems like US wants to strengthen their ties with Japan so that US can attack China more effectively. Well, one more way to sell more F-15 and F-16....
    Well China has more migs than Japan has F-15 and F-16s. Although a lot of the migs are the ones that flew during the Korean and vietnam war eras..

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    True that...

    Quote Originally Posted by samurai999
    Well China has more migs than Japan has F-15 and F-16s. Although a lot of the migs are the ones that flew during the Korean and vietnam war eras..


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    They signed new security relationship on Feb 2005.

    Read this Ministry of Foreign Affairs website,

    http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/n-ameri...ity/index.html..

    or this..
    http://www.heritage.org/Research/Asi...ific/em960.cfm




    Quote Originally Posted by KevinF
    As we should know from kendo, the only way to not get hit is to have good seme and a strong kamae.....

    I guess you are really saying that Japan should be forced to only use gedan no kame, right? ... I just don't understand how people could do kendo and come to some of these conclusions....

    "...so the US can attack China more effectively...?"

    eh?

    don't get Issac started again... you're going to get him all worked up.
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    Better yet, don't play Kendo. You don't even have to worry about seme and strong kamae...

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinF
    As we should know from kendo, the only way to not get hit is to have good seme and a strong kamae.....
    Your Men is mine....

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    very interesting..

    i'm a korean. but i have rather different view in this whole situation..

    as far as dokdo is concerned. who gives rat's ass? korea is holding it now. and korea will hold it until japan takes it away by killing every korean personnel on that piece of crappy rocks. who cares about historical facts? in 1905 japan declared that it's japanese.. then it was taken away from japan after WWII. as to who has legal rights to that rather sad piece of real estate.. i don't think anyone does. who's holding it now, will hold it until next time it changes hands. i seriously doubt japan will do anything to take any human casualty for those islets.

    as to the idea of anyone possibly invading red china.. in any war.. invasion depends on grunts on the ground. china has enough man power to overwhelm any invading army. fire power is good, but fire power has limits. you could shoot, bomb and burn so many people before you get run over by sheer volume of human wave. anyone up for nuking red china? i seriously doubt that's an option.. even for bush.

    as far as japan spending so much money on their military.. why isn't south korea doing it? why is south korea still depending on US for help? we yell 'yankee go home' every other day it seems.. but why is our politicians till holding on to the US for help? why is it that we are sending money to north.. and saying we understand why north is working on nuke, yet come kissing bush's ass for help?

    as to any none korean, japanese, chinese picking side here and there on all these topics.. wait till you get your whole family raped, skinned alive, tongues pulled out, and cut off with rusty spoon and beheaded.. after that, you might begin to understand what some of koreans and chinese feel about japan.. or maybe some of you are so enlightened, and educated that even after that, you are willing to forgive and forget. *shrug* after all, i have no problem liking all things about japan. i just didn't forget what happened.

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    Pete,

    Right on on the first three paragraphs. Seriously.

    As for your last statement:

    wait till you get your whole family raped, skinned alive, tongues pulled out, and cut off with rusty spoon and beheaded.. after that, you might begin to understand what some of koreans and chinese feel about japan.. or maybe some of you are so enlightened, and educated that even after that, you are willing to forgive and forget. *shrug* after all, i have no problem liking all things about japan. i just didn't forget what happened.
    Let me see... my maternal grandmother gave brith to my mother in a field during an American bombing raid in WWII - my great-grandmother was killed in that raid. There were no military targets in the area - it was simply a part of the US bombing policy to break the back of the German people... my maternal grandfather died on the Russian front...after the war, the Russian army came through that area of what is today the Czech Republic and raped and killed ethnic Germans, even put many, like my grandmother into the same concentration camps the Germans had used during the war...

    My paternal great-grandfather father fought against the Americans in the Spanish-American war, and my father was betrayed by the US government in the Bay of Pigs Invasion in Cuba.

    I don't hate the United States, Russia or any of the countries responsible for the crimes against my own family. With this kind of a history, though, you would expect - were I to have your sentiments - that I should really be angry and still quite upset at these nations, right?

    But you know what, I don't care. It's history. The world has changed in the meantime, and such anger is not productive. My grandmother, when she was alive, didn't care much either. My paternal grandparents, who both died as exiles from their own countries, tried to move on with their lives and make a new start in their adopted country, and while they hated the regime in Havana, they had no hatred for the country in general. Even my father quickly got over his "betrayal" at the Bay of Pigs and accepted a commission as an officer in the US armed forces.

    People really should move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinF
    But you know what, I don't care. It's history. The world has changed in the meantime, and such anger is not productive. My grandmother, when she was alive, didn't care much either. My paternal grandparents, who both died as exiles from their own countries, tried to move on with their lives and make a new start in their adopted country, and while they hated the regime in Havana, they had no hatred for the country in general. Even my father quickly got over his "betrayal" at the Bay of Pigs and accepted a commission as an officer in the US armed forces.
    kevin,

    i agree, people should move on. however, should not foget what has happened.

    apparently, your family has bigger heart than most. definitely bigger than mine. i have no relations to any cubans, however, i'm still pissed over bay of pigs.

    pete
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    "Those who dont learn from the past are doomed to repeat it"

    however i have to make an addition to that statement

    "Those that havent learn, cause war"

    The ones yelling about China and Japan's past and probable future arguments need to listen to that............
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    Quote Originally Posted by ISSAC RU
    ''Those who caused Wars would likely to do it again''
    guess what isaac.....its the little nut jobs like you calling for the downfall of other countries who cause them......
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    What about you ?

    You think Americans are the only one who has feelings?
    You people slaughter thousands of Arabs everyday just to
    prove ur moronic idealogy ?
    Your hands are covered with the blood of the victims all over
    the world . Did I say this clear?

    How many people you Americans have killed?
    How many Arabs died under the Americans hand?
    How many Japanese & Korean women you people have raped?
    How many countries are totally ****ed up because of your people?
    How many invasions you people have done?
    How many Nuclear bombs you people have dropped?
    How many assholes like you kept your country from moving forward?

    Guess what , Mister.....You obviously have no clue . Because America
    is so great he can do whatever he wants to do . So who cares about
    how many Japanese women they raped? In the end , they are just
    protecting '' freedom'' and " democracy'' .
    Boys will be boyz .....

    Did I mention this clear? Mr. Cowboy? The best job for you is to
    site at your backyard enjoy your bbq and your CNN live coverage
    of another tens of thousands arabs that was killed.

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    Hahahaha!!! This thread is going crazy!

    PARTY!!!!!!

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