Do anyone here ever saw Keishi Ryu Gekken Kata? It's 10 Kata of Japanese Police. It is formed since Meiji Era. Please share your knowledge to your fellow kenshi.
Do anyone here ever saw Keishi Ryu Gekken Kata? It's 10 Kata of Japanese Police. It is formed since Meiji Era. Please share your knowledge to your fellow kenshi.
Keishicho Ryu Gekken Kata .....hmmmm..
I dont know much about that police kata, I just know its a mixture of other sword schools...and was formed at the late 1800's..., theres some info at this website http://www.uoguelph.ca/~kataylor/06TIN90.htm not much but if your interested you could check it out and do a search in google, with the names of the sword schools it is made up with.....
I have been researching the question for a few weeks.Originally Posted by Nazo
The few leads that I got turned out to be dead ends. I do have one new lead to trace next week.
I do know that the Iai portion of Keishicho Ryu is still practiced.
Anything on the Gekken Kata is just not quite visible.
Raymond Sosnowski
Last year in Melbourne we were treated to an impromptu demonstration of Keishicho Ryu kata by Chiba and Sato sensei from Tokyo Metro Police when they visited the Kenshikan. They had just run through the new Kihon Waza Keiko Ho and then Chiba sensei seemed to make a suggestion to his colleague. I'm not sure if it was a spur of the moment thing or if they planned it, but the ran through all 10(?) kata. Chiba sensei announced each kata's name and ryu before starting. Some I could make out, like Hokushin Itto Ryu, Mugai Ryu and Tatsumi Ryu. Some I could not.
It was a real privilege to see.
b
I envy you.
Ben, can you try to describe what it like? It's have anything special to it? or it just generic like kendo kata?
Go buy the September 1999 (#283) issue of Kendo Nippon.
That issue walk through ALL of them one by one...with Chiba sensei and Sato sensei as model.
#1 Hasso - Jikishinkage Ryu
#2 Henka - Kurama Ryu
#3 "Eight Sky Cut" - "Something Island" Ryu.
#4 Maki-otoshi - Tatsumi Ryu
#5 Gedan no Tsuki - Hokushin Itto Ryu
#6 Aun - Asayama Ichiden Ryu
#7 Ichi-Ni no Tachi - Jigen Ryu
#8 Uchi-otoshi - Shindo Munen Ryu
#9 "Broken Fold" Hassha? - Yagyu Ryu
#10 Gurai-Izume - "Mirror Heart Clear Wisdom" Ryu
The "" are where I can't read the Japanese.
FWIW.
It's out of print. Where can I find one?
Sounds like an article for translation into English and reprinting in Kendo World Magazine.
Raymond Sosnowski
"FYI"
From THE SWORD THROUGH THE MEIJI PERIOD
1. Hasso:Jikishinkage Ryu
2. Henka: Karuma Ryu
3. Hachiten Giri: Hozan Ryu
4. Maki Otoshi: Rishin Ryu
5. Kadan no Tsuki: Hokushin Itto Ryu
6. A-un: Asayama Ichiden Ryu
7. Ichi-ni no Tachi: Jigen Ryu
8. Uchi Otoshi: Shindo Munen Ryu
9. Hasetsu: Yagyu Shinkage Ryu
10. Kurai Zume: Kyoshin Meichi Ryu
Raymond Sosnowski
If they print that, Im subscribing !
Maybe this is a silly question, but why don't we do these kata instead of the ones we currently have? Why did they make up new kata if these were in existance?It's nice to see that each of those kata came from somewhere. It's like a history lesson. I really wish I could see these kata. I LOVE doing kata. *sigh* *wistful*
Kaoru
Last edited by Kaoru; 15th April 2005 at 12:57 AM.
With all due respects to Unka Kim, I didn't use that reference because I thought some of those sounded incorrect.
The problem with kanji is there are multiple pronounciation for something.
For example, folks of the "standing body" ryu call themselves "Tatsumi" Ryu, not Rishin Ryu.
re: Hozan Ryu, as there were three kanji, "hozan" is missing a sound-syllable.
Grammatically, it'd be "Hatten-giri", not "Hatchi-ten giri"...as I wasn't sure how they wanted to say it, I just left it as is.
That's why I didn't use that reference.
Here's another reference, but they used "Rishin Ryu" as well....
http://www.shinzen-dojo.net/le_dojo/...eishi_ryu.html
It's one thing to just read off the kanji as they are written, it's another to call it as the practitioners would say it.
FWIW.
You can buy back issues from Kendo Nippon from Skijournal. Any Japanese bookstore can also order it for you, unless they are out of back issues...they still have some back issues from the late 80s.
If not, find someone and borrow it!
In August 1999 (#282), there is an article talking about Keishi Ryu.Maybe this is a silly question, but why don't we do these kata instead of the ones we currently have? Why did they make up new kata if these were in existance?
From what I can make of it, basically:
- the police battotai was getting stuck in instruction because the strong kenshi of different ryuha were instructing in different ways due to their stylistic differences.
- to standardize instruction, they asked the representatives of each style to pick the zenith/essence of their style, and collected these 10 kata.
- the goal was kenjutsu. Kata arise from the collective experience of the swordman from surviving shinken shobu. As people no longer engage in duels, it was their hope to experience some of that spirit by practicing the essence of each style...to try to understand what it means to do their technique by putting their life on the line (inochigake no shinken shobu).
- - -
Personal observation:
The underlying principle of kendo kata is shown in Tachi no Kata #3 and Kodachi Kata #3, is "divine martial not kill". You will notice the pattern of kill, maim, and control is repeated in Kendo Kata. The same exist in Iaido's Saya no Uchi.
The goal of keishi ryu kitachi no kata is to experience the heart of shinken shobu (inochigake no shinken shobu) by practicing "the strongest set of kumitachi" in existence.
Different goals...not to mention I think you'll find more internal consistency in kendo kata because it was designed around a kabala, whereas the keishi ryu is more of a sampling of the spirit.
FWIW.
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