Why a wallhanger is extremely dangerous, shown in photos. Please READ.

[shred_lord]

hmm good idea. I hand made a saya for one of them as a wood working project.

I thought it was decent untill I got a PPK and started to cry. haha

Hehe. Yeah, I was the same untill I saw the one that my sensei made for his!

But then, he's a qualified blade polisher, AND i recently found out that he took a leaf spring (off a car suspension system) and REFORGED it into and new Katana!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Man has too many skills as well as being the fastest man of his age i've even witnessed

You really should not even pick up a sword and use it unless you are trained in a dojo. Even then, not a live blade unless sensei says you can.

You know, I do understand that you are trying to show a responsible face to the world.

But are you afraid that the International Sword Responsibility Agency will arrest you if you do not condem people strongly enough. (Not just in this thread)

It is your opinion that it is dangerous to swing a sword if you are unsure about its construction/quality.

My opinion is the same.

It is (or seems to be) your opinion that it is morally wrong to own real katana unless you are 3 dan iaidoka or above!

In my opinion that is complete rubbish. What about collectors? If you have the money then good luck to you and if you stupid enough to cut off your own head, well thats Dawinism in action.

After all, we can't be responsible for everyone. Otherwise you and I would be sitting in a car somewhere right now staking out the guys at shinai.org, ready to bust in, take there shinai away and scold them for not going to a Dojo. Then back to the dungeon to apply a couple more notches to the rack untill our captive admits it at last....

"OK, OK, OK! omgmyshouldershurt, Aquatic Windu is rubbish, I repent, I repent!!!! ARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!"

Er sorry, went off on one there.


Either way. You are stating your opinions not laws of nature! Please just be a Little bit calmer.

Oh gods, I've taken on Karou.....*Runs Away*

[Optomitrist]

Hahaha, we cross-posted!

indeed. But it wont be for the last time!!



I have to agree with shred lord here. There are a lot of people who look down upon people like me who are not master swordsmen and sneer when they here I/we have real katanas. It is okay. It is like what that sharpeners video that was posted a couple of months ago said. 'It is okay to own a sword, if the owner carries the responsability for it well.' If it makes you feel any better. I do have a ppk, yes it can cut lots of houshold objects in half. But I dont use it. (it is over 100 miles away most of the year anyway). But I prefer the feel of a bokken.

[crabbi]

Just a quick post to thank Kaoru-San for the original postings of links to the thread on the other forum... This was a real eye-opener for me!

If I recall:

- Yes, the guy who injured himself was an experienced swordsman with 20 years + experience...
- Yes, he was very lucky to have help nearby...
- ...and also he states that the Medics said that, if he had not been using a Shinken, but some other blunter weapon, then he would likely have lost his arm...!

Well, that's the last time I juggle with my $20 Kill Bill Katana and Wakizashi !!!

Thanks again Kaoru-San...

Cheers

[kru$$ti]

hmm good idea. I hand made a saya for one of them as a wood working project.

I thought it was decent untill I got a PPK and started to cry. haha

Hey-Hey!

Optomitrist-San... just for the sake of clarity... Are you referring to a Paul Chen Hanwei PPK or a Walther PPK?

The only reason I am asking is that I wasn't sure if you could use a Walther PPK in Iaido... (although of course, I can see the advantages...)

Thanks

Kru$$ti

[Kaoru]

You know, I do understand that you are trying to show a responsible face to the world.

But are you afraid that the International Sword Responsibility Agency will arrest you if you do not condem people strongly enough. (Not just in this thread)

What, you mean there's an International Sword Responsibility Agency?? *looks for it* Kidding!

It is your opinion that it is dangerous to swing a sword if you are unsure about its construction/quality.

My opinion is the same.

It is (or seems to be) your opinion that it is morally wrong to own real katana unless you are 3 dan iaidoka or above!

I understand what you are saying. No, I mean using one shouldn't happen unless a person is trained. Owning is different than using. I don't care if they do own one. I DO care if they start using it. What I really hate is the stupid parent that buys the thing for their kid and actually thinks it is ok to let them use it without ever having any training. Many kids think it is ok to wave one around and do not think of the dangers. If the parents are dumb enough not to tell them no, then we should let them know it is not safe to play with them. And, some adults who own swords are just as unaware and think it is ok to play with them. They just need to be made aware of the dangers. I think it would be wrong not to tell them, IMHO.

In my opinion that is complete rubbish. What about collectors?

I guess this is moot since I explained above...

If you have the money then good luck to you and if you stupid enough to cut off your own head, well thats Dawinism in action.

True, hehehe!

After all, we can't be responsible for everyone.

I realise that. But, if I can at least save one person from serious injury because I made them more aware, I'm happy.

Otherwise you and I would be sitting in a car somewhere right now staking out the guys at shinai.org, ready to bust in, take there shinai away and scold them for not going to a Dojo. Then back to the dungeon to apply a couple more notches to the rack untill our captive admits it at last....

Ahahaha, That's funny stuff!

"OK, OK, OK! omgmyshouldershurt, Aquatic Windu is rubbish, I repent, I repent!!!! ARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!"

Er sorry, went off on one there.

hehehe, That's ok. I know you have lost it.

Either way. You are stating your opinions not laws of nature! Please just be a Little bit calmer.

Believe it or not, I have been trying to be calmer. Just take a look at posts I made about stuff like that from last February, and you'll see a difference. I'll keep trying to word things in a calmer way. (But I'm only human, if I forget.) Thanks for the comment, and you were very nice about it, too.

Oh gods, I've taken on Karou.....*Runs Away*

hehehe, Be afraid... Veeeery afraid....

Only kidding. That wasn't so bad now was it?

Kaoru

[Optomitrist]

Hey-Hey!

Optomitrist-San... just for the sake of clarity... Are you referring to a Paul Chen Hanwei PPK or a Walther PPK?

The only reason I am asking is that I wasn't sure if you could use a Walther PPK in Iaido... (although of course, I can see the advantages...)

Thanks

Kru$$ti

hanwei, I know a lot of people think hanwei is garbage, but it is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge leap between wallhanger and shinto katanas.





On a side note. I just realized that there is a shinai.org. I hate them.

[shred_lord]

hehe.... so I can stop hiding behind this rock?!

Thanks for accepting that exactly the way it was meant.

On a side note. I just realized that there is a shinai.org. I hate them.

Hehe, I do too. The UK tends to go overboard when thing go wrong, so if a group like them ended up in a fight in the UK, there would be all sorts of talk about banning shinai

[kru$$ti]

hanwei, I know a lot of people think hanwei is garbage, but it is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge leap between wallhanger and shinto katanas.

Hey-hey!

Optomitrist-San... please excuse the weak joke before... the Walther PPK (pictured here: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5727/guns.html ) was famously used by that great British Ronin Jemusu Bondo...

I'v got nothing against Paul Chen Hanwei PPKs... in fact I'd love to own one someday...

Sorry if I yanked your chain...

Cheerio...

Kru$$ti

[KENDOKY]

Here is a link to the video that Kaoru was referring to http://www.compfused.com/directlink/51/ compfused has a few other good videos including one with what was once a well made katana http://www.compfused.com/directlink/608/
and a Pepsi KungFu parady http://www.compfused.com/directlink/300/

[Tenbatsu]

I own a wallhanger. A reminder that I was ignorant about swords when I first got involved with them. And it rest where the name says it should rest respectfully. In all honesty, I'm probably lucky to not have hurt myself when I got the "for display only" sword. Your right Kaoru to try to stress the importance of being responsible and concious of these sheathed disasters. I also wish to say that we all lose concentration sometimes, we are in fact only human, so we should try to not lose our concentration when our well-being is at stake. Lastly after reading that story of that poor guy's accident, I think it would be a wise decision to always (whether you've been training for a few of month or for the past 10 years) perform sayabiki slow and steady and with caution.

[aquilonian]

plastic on asword, no no noNONOOOOOO!!!! It is just wrong I have never seen that or imagined that? I would not have believed it if I had'nt seen it. Who in the world makes plastic tsubas or tsukas. and who is buying them?

[Hayamaru]

Even if you have a quality Katana, is it wrong to practice even if you've never even set foot in a dojo? (Like me )Because i do it all the time, but never were there any accidents, well except the time my friend hit me in the head with a Tanto (he is a moron). Just wanted to know if i Have to go to a dojo for "Proper ways to a live blade"

[shred_lord]

Even if you have a quality Katana, is it wrong to practice even if you've never even set foot in a dojo? (Like me )Because i do it all the time, but never were there any accidents, well except the time my friend hit me in the head with a Tanto (he is a moron). Just wanted to know if i Have to go to a dojo for "Proper ways to a live blade"

Oh my god, Kaoru is going to kick your ass into the middle of next year!

[h2o]

Even if you have a quality Katana, is it wrong to practice even if you've never even set foot in a dojo?

Do you like your limbs? If no, then go ahead

[samuraix966]

Ummm... Didn't you see that video of the wallhanger that DID break? The blade broke right in two, and the moron selling them thought it was ok to tap it on a table and claimed it was "battle ready" and then it stabbed him in the stomach when it broke. The steel used on wallhangers is quite brittle.

The best person on this forum to ask about this is Charles Mahan, IMHO. He can explain about the steel used on these swords very well. he's an Iaidoka who is yondan.

And, if it has metal rivets, that is even more dangerous. Rivets are very bad, and not safe. Those aren't even the proper mekugi. Metal on metal is just asking for an accident.

Hmmm... Somewhere, someone else said metal mekugi like that are not safe, and the thread it was in is Mica's Mekugi thread in the Iaido forum.

You should never use those swords you have. So, please save yourself an accident and don't use them if you do, ok?

Kaoru

First of all, I'd like to explain my situation in a logical manner.

1.

Problem: Looking for a sword on eBay for less than $50.

Solution: The only swords that sell for less than $50 are made out of 440 stainless steel.

2.

New Problem: Stainless steel is brittle.

Solution: I plan to use it for swinging, nothing in contact with the blade except air and the saya. Just a side note, I will not tap the blade on a table

Question: Will a stainless steel blade be able to retain its form when swung properly? In other words, can a stainless steel blade snap or warp simply by swinging with its edge leading?

3.

New Problem: Tsuka must be able to withstand the force of the swing.

Solution: I will purchase a sword with at least 1 mekugi and a full tang. On a side note, I have only discovered eBay auctions where 3 metal mekugi were used in swords with a full tang.


So from this, I am interested in purchasing a sword from eBay for less than $50. It will feature a blade made out of 440 stainless steel, a full tang, and 3 metal mekugi.

The problem with metal mekugi is that it could slip out during the swing, but since the sword has 3, the chances of the blade flying out of the handle is very slim.

Additional information on mekugi can be found here (scroll down near the middle) http://www.webdiva4hire.com/kenshinkan/suitability.html


The only problem I have left is the question in #2. Any other problems that are revealed to me will truly be appreciated. I want to minimize the level of danger with the use of a cheap sword.

Hey optomitrist, can you give a review of the quality of the sword that you purchased?